In message <36d.a4fd39.315d41ed@aol.com>, JKelly8543@aol.com writes

So  we now have direct evidence of the causal link between what is ostensibly a  "home-grown" idea and the EU's plans, as regards ID cards. I hope this knowledge  might persuade some backbench Labour MPs to rebel and vote
against  it.

However there is equally a linkage in the case of the series of  concerted government assaults on our safeguards in criminal  justice:
    *   Suspension  of Habeas Corpus and power of summary incarceration with no evidence =>  European Arrest Warrant, 90-day detention bill => art. 20.3.g Corpus Juris
    *   Towards  the elimination of Trial by Lay Magistrates => Institution of these  new-fangled "District judges" (like Bruce Morgan who "did" the Metric Martyrs)  => art. 26.1 Corpus Juris
    *   Towards  the elimination of  Trial by Jury => repeated attempts by this  government to restrict this right => art. 26.1 Corpus Juris
    *   Towards  the elimination of the Safeguard against Double Jeopardy => introduction of  prosecution's right to appeal in certain cases => art. 27.2 Corpus Juris

...  to mention just four instances, which can be viewed alongside the "Europeanising" measure to bring in ID cards..

That this is clearly the  game plan is borne out by the Home Secretary's recent public statement that he  actually prefers the French system of criminal justice to ours! (And the French,  Napoleonic, system is basically the model for the rest of the  continent.)

What is happening is that this government is introducing  these liberticidal measures, as ostensibly "home-grown" initiatives, on various  spurious pretexts, such as "efficiency", "saving money" etc, while the real reason is that they have to be introduced so that Britain's institutions may be made more similar to those of the continent, and thereby become "harmonisable" in the planned single European mould.

We must realise that - long before  the EU was even thought of - British laws and institutions were always radically  different from those of the continent, due to history - e.g. we never suffered  the ravages of the Holy Inquisition, as they did, for centuries. Britain is therefore the "odd man out" and must be hammered and hacked into shape so that  we will "fit" into the European box.

The reason for this dissimulation is clearly that, if the truth were baldly announced, viz.

"Look, you the  people of Britain have got to be issued with ID cards, and have your rights of  Habeas Corpus, trial by jury etc removed, because that is how things are done  and always have been done on the continent and we are going to merge with them  and so we will have to conform to their model and abandon our traditional ways;  and because the only way to manage the new multi-national, multi-cultural,  patchwork of European nations under a EU single state, will be with an iron fist  in an iron glove, ie on an undemocratic basis, so British safeguards for freedom  and democracy have got to go",

there would be a storm of protest and  massive resistance, with public feeling running like it did in 1940.

As  it is we are meekly debating whether we can afford ID cards at £90 each, and how  far traditional legal safeguards might be of help to terrorists, etc. just as  the government wants us to.

<< There might once have been a chance that continental Europe could adopt our institutions, when we were in a position to, and did, effect "regime change" there back in 1945-6, but we and the Americans, who traditionally share far more of our values and institutions than the continental Europeans, contented ourselves with making sure that they adopted some form of parliamentary democracy, and did not concern ourselves  overmuch with details of their laws or their legal procedures and safeguards or lack thereof.

Some continentals - led by the Eurocrats in Brussels - are  now in the process of reverting to type, and with the UK having been lured into  their grasp by signing the Treaty of Rome and its subsequent amendments, it is  we who are being subjected to "regime change" - also with the help of our quisling government - as our legal institutions are subverted and deformed to make them more like theirs.